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Closing on a house in Ontario in winter: the furnace isn't working at the final walkthrough. Is the seller responsible?

I'll be blunt: when a furnace fails at a winter closing, it's usually not bad luck. It's a question nobody asked before the offer and a clause nobody wrote in. My job is to turn unknown risks into known ones, so find out how old the furnace is and whether the agreement covers it before you submit the offer, not on closing day.
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Furnace dead at the final walkthrough in winter. Is the seller responsible?

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Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 1/8
Start with the agreement
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The agreement decides who handles it
01Warranty in the agreementSeller fixes it or lawyers negotiate
02Seller agreed to repairNot done? Lawyers ask for invoice or holdback
03Nothing written, firm offerMuch harder. Have your lawyer read it
04Rental furnaceCall the rental company first
Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 2/8
Why winter makes it worse
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An empty house without heat can mean burst pipes
  • 01Overnight lows near minus ten are not unusual
  • 02Empty house: nobody notices when heat stops
  • 03Walkthrough is days before closing, HVAC is booked
Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 3/8
For buyers
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Cold furnace at the walkthrough: 6 steps
  • 01Check thermostat, power switch, filter, gas
  • 02Photo the furnace label, note indoor temp
  • 03Tell your agent and lawyer that day
  • 04Call a TSSA-registered contractor
  • 05Lawyers settle: repair, holdback or price cut
  • 06Closing day: check heat, then plumbing
Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 4/8
Rental furnace
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2024
No more NOSIs for rental furnaces

Since June 6, 2024, rental furnaces can't be registered on title, but the rental contract still stands. Have your lawyer confirm how it transfers.

Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 5/8
What Yifei has seen
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Ask before you offer, not after

One buyer went firm, then asked how old the furnace was. Yifei could only suggest photographing the label. Want a warranty? Put it in the offer.

Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 6/8
For sellers
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Don't shut off the gas when you move

Keep the thermostat up and have someone check the empty house every few days. Burst pipes cost far more than a few months of gas.

Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 7/8
Your own closing
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Furnace trouble before closing?

Tell Yifei what your agreement says, when the furnace stopped and how many days until closing. He'll tell you straight what to do.

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Yifei Lin, Sales RepresentativeRE/MAX Niagara Realty Ltd., Brokerage
efay.ai · 8/8

Start with the agreement. If your Ontario agreement of purchase and sale says the seller warrants that the furnace and mechanical systems will be in good working order on closing, a dead furnace is the seller's problem: they fix it before closing, or the two lawyers negotiate a holdback or a price reduction. If the agreement says nothing, the buyer has a lot less to work with. So when you buy in winter, get that clause into the offer, and if you find a problem at the walkthrough, raise it through your lawyer before closing, not after.

Why this matters more in winter

Yifei likes to line the walkthrough up with the seller's move-out. On one deal the buyer walked through right after the seller moved out. With the house empty, the furnace and basement were easy to check.

Which situation are you in

What the agreement says
Seller warrants heating and mechanicals work on closing
Is the seller on the hook?Yes
What usually happensSeller repairs before closing, or the lawyers agree on a holdback or price reduction
Seller agreed to repair or replace before closing
Is the seller on the hook?Yes, if they didn't do it
What usually happensLawyers ask for the repair invoice or a holdback
Nothing, and the buyer made a firm offer
Is the seller on the hook?Much harder
What usually happensTalk to the seller; have your lawyer read the agreement
The furnace is a rental
Is the seller on the hook?The rental company first
What usually happensCall them for service; your lawyer handles the rental contract on closing

One more point on rentals: since June 6, 2024, Ontario no longer allows Notices of Security Interest (NOSIs) on title for consumer goods like furnaces and water heaters, and existing ones were deemed expired. The rental contract itself still stands, so have your lawyer confirm before closing how it transfers and what a buyout would cost.

What to do if the furnace is cold at the walkthrough

  1. Rule out the simple stuff: thermostat set to heat, batteries, the furnace power switch, a clogged filter, the gas supply.
  2. Take photos and video, including the furnace label (model and year), and note the indoor temperature.
  3. Tell your agent and your lawyer the same day. Your agent notifies the seller's agent.
  4. Have a TSSA-registered contractor send a certified gas technician (Ontario requires furnaces to be serviced by TSSA-registered contractors, and you can look them up on TSSA's website), and ask for a written report and quote.
  5. Before closing, your lawyer settles it with the seller's lawyer: repair, holdback or price reduction.
  6. On closing day, check the heat first, then the plumbing.

For sellers: don't shut off the gas or turn the thermostat way down when you move out, and have someone check the empty house every few days.

What Yifei has seen

On one deal, the buyer's offer had a schedule with two warranties: the basement had never leaked, and the mechanicals and heating were in working order, with the seller still responsible after closing. That basement had tested high for humidity before. Yifei's advice to the seller: know your house before you sign a warranty like that, because it can follow you past closing.

On another deal it went the other way. The buyer made a firm offer, then asked for proof of the age of the roof, AC and furnace after signing. All Yifei could do was pass along what he'd heard and suggest the buyer photograph the furnace label to check the year. Those questions belong before you submit the offer.

And some sellers handle it up front. When a buyer raised attic mould and a faulty water heater, Yifei and the seller agreed to have the mould professionally treated with the invoice sent before closing, and to fix the water heater before closing.

Ask about your own situation

What your agreement says, when the furnace stopped and how many days are left before closing decide who you call and how you negotiate. Tell me about your situation and I'll tell you straight what to do. Yifei (RE/MAX), efay.ai.

Frequently asked questions

The furnace broke after closing. Can I still go after the seller?

It depends on whether the warranty in your agreement says it survives closing. If it does, your lawyer can pursue it. If not, it's much harder. The safer move is to run the heat at the walkthrough and raise any problem before closing.

Can a seller shut off the gas after moving out to save money?

Not a good idea. Burst pipes in an unheated house cost far more than a few months of gas, and many home insurance policies have conditions for vacant homes. Check with your insurer before you move out.

Sources: - TSSA: https://tssa.org/tssa-cautions-ontario-homeowners-against-hiring-fraudulent-fuels-workers - Government of Ontario, Notices of Security Interest: https://www.ontario.ca/page/notices-security-interest

Yifei on this topic (video in Mandarin)

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Yifei Lin is a RE/MAX real estate agent serving the Greater Toronto Area and Niagara since 2015. For advice on your own situation, reach him at efay.ai.

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